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"People here think no-one can do without China, and I think now some companies are thinking no-one can deal with China," he told the French news agency AFP.

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India sees silver lining in Google’s imminent exit from China

NEW DELHI - The imminent exit of IT giant Google from China, which has alleged the Chinese Government of hacking personal data of its clients and for enforcing censorship, could prove to be a boon for India.

India remains a preferred destination for the IT bigwigs and provides much more independence, incentives and privacy to the business to flourish.

Refusing to directly comment on Google's exit from China, Minister of State for Information Technology Sachin Pilot, said: "India is a country that has a very free, fair and transparent way of functioning. We are proud to have one of the most open-minded media. There is no censorship of any sort at all. I think everyone is free to add their views."

Pilot pointed: "In this country (there is) a sense of stability, our judiciary is very transparent in functioning. I think all these factors add up, not just large IT companies like Google, Microsoft and Internet-based companies, but a lot of corporations look at it when they have a long term view of a country."

India's phenomenal growth in the IT sector can also be gauged from the fact that last year alone India exported IT services worth 50 billion dollars and the sector has grown at the rate of more than 15 percent, despite economic slowdown.

Now, IT experts believe that with companies leaving China on ethical grounds, Indian IT industry is bound to grow.

As far as censorship is concerned, Pilot emphasized that India has a very strict cyber law, which ensures and respects the independence of the companies.

"The Indian government in last 15-years (has) only banned 20-22 websites in all and that also has been done only when there are certain contents or websites that really harm our national interests, our sovereignty or are bound to cause some public disorder," Pilot said.

"Only in the rare of the rarest case would the government decide to shutdown or censor a particular website, it is very far and few. We have a policy that is very fair, we have policy forbearance. We don't interfere in what the netizens do, or what a company want to say. It is a very free open society and we are very proud of that," he added.

India has recently amended it cyber laws and to ensure the safety of its cyberspace has an agency called CERT 24/7, which protects cyberspace from attacks and cyber terrorism and take effective steps in case attacks take place.

Another major advantage, which India has over China, is the young English speaking workforce therefore Indian IT sector and the government are keeping a close tab on the developments in China as it can directly benefit them. By Naveen Kapoor (ANI)
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Chinese surprise at Google pull-out threat

Google users have been leaving flowers outside the firm's headquarters

By Chris Hogg BBC News, Shanghai

Google's warning that it might pull out of China over cyber attacks has surprised human rights activists here.

They seem unfazed that China is accused of trying to hack into their Gmail accounts. But a major foreign firm like Google being prepared to speak out and challenge the government so directly is unusual.

The Chinese authorities will be infuriated that Google has made its announcement before negotiations with officials have got under way.

China has so far said little publicly in response.

I would bet on a harsh reaction from the Chinese government Dan Sefarty, Viadeo

An unnamed official quoted by the state news agency Xinhua said only that the authorities were trying to find out more about Google's suggestion it might leave the country.

The company's main Chinese rival Baidu is less reticent. In a blog post that has since been taken down, the firm's chief architect Sun Yunfeng claimed Google was just trying to play down its market failure.

"Would Google top executives still proclaim that they would 'do no evil'," he said, quoting the company's code of conduct, "and quit China if they had taken 80% of China's search market?"

Google's market share is estimated to be around 30% in China, about half the size of Baidu's, the search engine market leader.

The senior Baidu executive said the American company's move would "satisfy the imagination of those Westerners who have never been to China and understand nothing of China but still like to point fingers at China".

'Mismatch' in perception

Others in the technology sector here see this differently.

Gmail accounts of rights activists have reportedly been accessed

Dan Sefarty heads Viadeo, the firm that owns the Chinese social networking site Tianji.com.

"Google is rare," he says. "It's a US company succeeding in China. It has impressive market share and is atypical among other foreign companies who try to get into this very tough market."

He warns that Baidu has strong links with the government and may be lobbying hard to gain business advantage from this row.

"I would bet on a harsh reaction from the Chinese government," he says. "Look at what they have done with Facebook and Twitter, which have been blocked in China for six to nine months now."

Opinion is divided over whether or not Google really plans to withdraw from the country, the world's largest internet market.

Duncan Clark, an analyst at the Beijing hi-tech consultancy BDA, says he sees a "mismatch" in perception between the Chinese authorities and the foreign firms doing business here.

"People here think no-one can do without China, and I think now some companies are thinking no-one can deal with China," he told the French news agency AFP.

"There is a feeling that China is emboldened and that they don't need to have the same sort of dialogue [as before]," he said.

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Google's senior US executives are well aware of the Chinese preference for gradual change, and also of the authorities' likely resistance on a matter of such ideological importance to them as control of the internet, an arena described by a senior public security official just a few weeks ago as a "battlefield".

Some analysts see Google's announcement as a gambit for what will be extremely tough negotiations with the Chinese, rather than an ultimatum.

But others suggest that the more Google bent towards the demands of the Chinese government, the more harm was done to its reputation overseas, and at some point it had to make a stand.

'Heroic' decision?

Whether you regard Google's market share as impressive or disappointing, compared to its dominance elsewhere, there is little doubt it is not a household name in China in the same way that it is abroad.

Google has about 700 staff in its China offices

But Hu Li, a student in Beijing, told the BBC he admired what he called the company's "heroic" decision to offer an unfiltered service, and hailed the announcement to pull out if it could not reach its objective.

Some people even laid flowers outside the company's Beijing headquarters, in the hi-tech Haidian district, as a mark of respect.

But this sentiment was certainly not shared by everyone.

Another man, an IT worker who would only give his surname, Zhong, said the American firm should respect China's situation regarding this kind of issue.

"China has been using censorship for a long time," he said. "Any change can only happen slowly - it won't happen overnight."

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Pakistan had ceded some Jammu and Kashmir territory to China in exchange for nuclear and missile technologies

Pakistan had ceded some Jammu and Kashmir territory to China in exchange for nuclear and missile technologies
Sudir Chadda
Jan. 13, 2010

China did not become the best friend of Pakistan for free. Pakistam got its nuclear bombs and missiles from China in exchange of gifting illegally occupied Indian land of Jammu and Kashmir to China.

Pakistan had ceded some territory to China in 1963. At an India-Pakistan peace conference here on Monday, People’s Conference Chairman Sajjad Gani Lone had accused Islamabad of gifting Kashmiri territory under its occupation to China.

Pakistan's nuclear and missile technology program started with the Chinese technologies provided to Islamabad in exchange of Kashmiri land ceded to communist China.

One always wonders how North Korea and Pakistan got missile technology without a strong space research program. Now you know how China illegally gave it to Pakistan in exchange of 750 square miles of Kashmiri land that belongs to India.

Problems and Issues that India is Facing

Swami Vivekananda rightly said "If you are not facing any problem, I am sure that you are heading in a wrong way."

Yes, problems and issues are usual. A person or a country will definitely face issues or problems in the path of progress. If we study the history of development of different countries, the reality comes to light. The success lies in tackling the issues. How we solve the issues matter the most.
Undoubtedly, terrorism is one of the most dangerous issues in the recent time. The other major problems in India are poverty, unemployment, corruption, fundamentalism and so on. For a fruitful solution, the issues must be solved at the source. If we want to stop a smoke, we must have to stop the fire which is causing it. We can't stop smoke by simply covering it.

Let's take an example. In Andhra Pradesh when the farmers are committing suicide, the government waived off their debts. The farmers were saved in that particular season. But what will the government do in the next season? The farmers will again face problems. So the solution should be improvement of the conditions of the farmers in cultivation. India needs the permanent solutions of the issues. It's applicable in all the problems.

Can anyone say how the other issues can be solved at the roots? Any idea? Other issues that I have not mentioned here can also be discussed.

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Kashmir issue would remain a Berlin Wall between India and Pakistan, which can never be broken

Kind attention is drawn to the following news report in the Times of India dated 14.1.2010:

"'Pakistanis want peace, not Pakistan government'

14 January 2010, 08:45am IST

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Activist Asma Jahangir talks to Meenakshi Sinha on peace projects.

Many of us can say peace won't happen. It won't be easy. But without peace, Pakistan is not going forward, says Asma Jahangir, Chairperson, Human Rights commision of Pakistan.

Q) Where are India and Pakistan in terms of peace initiatives, especially after 26/11?
A) There are understandably very confusing, very negative feelings from the Indian side. On the Pakistani side, there's a lot of 'wish' for peace among political parties, yet there's a note of caution from the establishment, which is very worrying. The periodical chorus claiming Indian support to militants is a mere political gimmick. The establishment wants people to believe that India is somehow involved in militancy in FATA and that it's a fight against the enemy to divert attention. I think that's a mistake, have said so domestically. It is worrying.

Q) So the 'wish' for peace is mere rhetoric?
A) There's will as well, but Pakistan is going through a very difficult, fragile transition. I wouldn't even call it a democracy. It's headed by a very controversial person who comes with a lot of baggage. People have very strong views against the current Pakistan president. Pakistan's ordinary people are caught up in the struggle of daily life with no electricity or gas.

They understand that much of what's happening is because of the seven-year legacy left behind by a military dictator — one that rendered no development plans, encouraged nepotism and engaged in constant fights in Baluchistan. Stories of economic growth were all myth. The prime minister left as though he'd come to another country to rule and never looked back. We really have to put our act together.

Q) With Pakistan's internal strife and India's anger over 26/11 how do you see Indo-Pak peace initiatives evolving?
A) To be honest, unless and until we in Pakistan don't get our politics together and strive for stability, there'll be no major breakthrough in Indo-Pak relations. Nevertheless I believe that we should continue to negotiate and engage with each other, because when the engagement stops, we have to start from scratch when the right opportunity arrives. Similarly, raised tempers in India post Mumbai attack must be toned down with an understanding of Pakistan's internal strife. That said, when there's tension, people to people contact is great. We need to find an entry point for civil society to engage.

Q) With India's demand for action over 26/11, is it the right time for a workable peace initiative?
A) To make Pakistan action over 26/11 a condition for peace initiatives is a mistake. In Pakistan itself, prime ministers have been murdered and perpetrators have not been identified. There's a culture of impunity. The history of militancy is chequered with the nexus of the establishment. To say that it's going to be easy is unrealistic. In fact many of us can say it won't happen. Having said that, any sane person can say that without peace, Pakistan is not going forward."

In view of the above report and the fact that the leaders of the undivided India, both Muslims and Hindus have accepted the two nations' theory while agreeing to the partition of the country, there can never be any peace between India and Pakistan over the Kashmir issue, which is like a Berlin Wall between the two countries.